2 cycle oil in your gas

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

Found this link on fullsizechevy.com

Anyone heard of this or have ever done it?

http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206

seems like this guy knows his shit haha

[StanceSlyder]

ony vehicles i have heard of doing anything similar is rotories, but most of the time unless its removed you dont have to premix


edit read through a few pages and this seems interesting, i may try this at least for a few tanks, see if it gets rid of the VERY common miata (valve?) tick

[bcool]

I premix like a mofo. Good read though.

[beanerstyle]

two strokes?

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

two strokes?

...yea, two stroke oil (tc-w3). in your gas tank. 1oz to 5gal

[StanceSlyder]

I premix like a mofo. Good read though.

do you run similar to this or is there a different ratio for dorito driven cars

[racerX 244]

I know I've run leftover motorcycle pre-mix through my lawn mower and seen no ill effects, it actually ran great, and that was gas that was mixed at a 32:1 ratio, this guy is talking about running a 400:1 ratio. That's a very thin amount of oil in the gas, I doubt it would be enough to harm anything. I think I'm going to start giving it a try, for kicks and giggles.

[racerX 244]

ony vehicles i have heard of doing anything similar is rotories, but most of the time unless its removed you dont have to premix


edit read through a few pages and this seems interesting, i may try this at least for a few tanks, see if it gets rid of the VERY common miata (valve?) tick

the tick you're hearing is the Hydraulic Lifters. Make sure you're running a good oil filter, and experiment with slightly thinner/thicker oils than what you're using now. I've found Shell RotellaT 5w-40 synthetic and an STP filter keep my lifters quiet, they'll tick after an autocross run but thats about it.

[Money]

My car burns enough oil as it is, so I don't think I'd have anything to gain from that. But I am going to try it in the van, when it becomes the DD anyway...

[Rob]

I'd like to pose the obvious question of why?

A.) Running 2 stroke oil in your gas will NEVER get rid of lifter tick, if you're fuel/air mixture was coming in contact with your lifters you have bigger problems, like absolutely destroyed valve stem seals and guides.

B.) Rotary guys do it for a very different reason than any piston engine, their oil metering system is unreliable and prone to failure, so for them it's a fail safe but by no means does it lubricate the primary portions of the eccentric shaft, etc...

C.) In a modern 4 stroke engine you're not going to gain anything from it. The oiling systems in most modern engines are quite good and you're not going to see any gain from misting the top of your valves and cylinder walls with a 400:1 ratio of 2 stroke oil to gas. Even if you wanted to say it might help lubricate the rings... that's false because gas will wash the oil off the cylinder walls, one of the many reasons a consistent misfire or dead cylinder can actually over time cause a good bit of damage.

So once again, I ask... why?

2 strokes run it because they have no other means of lubricating the rotating assembly, since they use crank case pressure as a type of (one could call it) inherent forced induction. 4 strokes wont see any benefit

[Money]

I'd like to pose the obvious question of why?

I'd like to pose the question of did you read any of what was posted in the link? It answers your "why" questions.

[Rob]

I'd like to pose the question of did you read any of what was posted in the link? It answers your "why" questions.

Yes, I did, and the "problems" listed on that thread that this supposedly addresses are non issues. Especially when you consider the properties of modern motor oils. Plus, ethanol is essentially (it's really iso alcohol) what is in products like HEAT which remove water from fuel anyways, so a lot of their problems seem like things that people with too much free time would come up with.

[Rob]

I want to be clear, I'm not saying the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, but I would think the benefits (if any) are so negligible that most would simply write them off. I think a lot more would be gained by implementing systems like we have on our boats; the oil pressure must reach a target level before the fuel pump turns on.

Let's be realistic, how often due fuel pumps die from lack of lubrication (keep in mind they're designed to run on straight gasoline) vs from running dry and/or brushes/stators wearing out... or, have you ever "cleaned" something with gasoline and noticed the oil residue that even it leaves behind... I don't think there's a lot to be gained in most circumstances by running additional oil in your fuel. Just IMHO

[RunninWild]

The point is to get better mpgz.

It helps to read the entire thing.

[spastik]

Here is how to get better MPG's without spending more money on oil:

Get on a treadmill and loose some weight fatty.

Quit hauling around shit in your car you dont need/use all the time.

Drive like a normal person.

Fill your tires and make sure your alignment is in spec.

DONE!

[racerX 244]

Here is how to get better MPG's without spending more money on oil:

Get on a treadmill and loose some weight fatty.

Quit hauling around shit in your car you dont need/use all the time.

Drive like a normal person.

Fill your tires and make sure your alignment is in spec.

DONE!

Also; Don't drive a Trans-Am and worry about a .2% mileage increase.

[MacDrizzle]

We were told by Performance Solutions to run 2stroke oil in our av-gas, so far nothing bad has happened.

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

yea not only is it for better mpgs, it helps your motor run so much cleaner.

if i remember right in that thread "sarge" talks about pulling apart said motor that had over 150k and it look like it had 17k if that. (not SURE on numbers, but high mileage motor looked to have very low miles when pulled apart)

im not saying anyone has to do it, i will do it myself and post my results. a few people on fsc have done it to and have nothing but good comments to say about their results

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

here is this too

http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/general-discussion/technical-maintenance/398832-2-cycle-oil-your-gas.html

and i named it the same for searching purposes

[Rob]

The point is to get better mpgz.

It helps to read the entire thing.

I never said anything about mpg in either of my posts

yea not only is it for better mpgs, it helps your motor run so much cleaner.

if i remember right in that thread "sarge" talks about pulling apart said motor that had over 150k and it look like it had 17k if that. (not SURE on numbers, but high mileage motor looked to have very low miles when pulled apart)

im not saying anyone has to do it, i will do it myself and post my results. a few people on fsc have done it to and have nothing but good comments to say about their results

I saw that part too; but you may also remember laboratory test results that mobile 1 posted a few years back about motors that had been primed with mobile 1 from the factory (I.E. oil pressure built before initial start up) and run mobile 1 full synthetic since the day they were new and when disassembled had no visible signs of any wear at all.

I doubt very much that it would cause any ill effects, I just don't personally see any real benefits to be had.

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

well thats what we are saying better mpgs for...because you said you dont see any benefits to be had.

I'm sure people in this econ wouldn't mind saving money anyway they can...esp. when it has been proven to have 2mpg gains and not to damage anything...


oh well you don't have to do it lol

[Jdmitr]

Well if it helps a domestic motor look like that, and have less wear, then great for domestic guys...however I work on Japanese cars all the time and have done valve adjusts on Hondas with 180k-200k miles on them and the cams still have their black coating with nearly no hint of polishing or "wear" on the lobes. Many blocks that I have pulled apart still have tooling marks in the cylinders at high miles.

If there is a ton of wear at 150k miles then there is one of 4 things wrong IMO.

1) the oiling system engineered into the engine is not efficient

2) Lack of lubrication: due to improper oil, oil weight, prolonged oil changes after the oil breaks down, running too rich and washing cylinders and introducing fuel into the oil which breaks it down, running low oil levels

3) Improper tolerances

4) The use of inferior quality metals.

[Rob]

^ AGREED!

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

true, but like i said im not positive on the numbers....

haters lol

[NoDestiny]

Can I use baby oil or maybe olive oil instead? Will that get me 10 more PSI of boost?

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

do whatever you want homie...i suggest a quart of 10w30 per tank of gas tho...much better lube so moar boost

...fuck it just fill the tank with oil



last time i try to post any info i find to help anyone out

[Rob]

last time i try to post any info i find to help anyone out

Whoah whoah whoah...

I wasn't bashing on you at any point for posting it, I'm all for people experimenting. However, sometimes it's easy to get excited about something and not want to take a step back and think about whether something really makes sense or not. Regardless, it was a good/interesting find.

[BRINGTHERUCKUS]

i know but it has been being "experimented" with for around 2 years now i believe and all results are better idle, helps with ticks, slight misses and a 2 mpg gain. just tryin to help people out

oh well
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ill reap the benefits.